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  • 1.  Career Advice for People Interested in MSR

    Posted 09-15-2006 15:26
    Hi All

    I just received a request for career advice from a new doctoral student interested in MSR. I'm not sure what to tell him.

    I have a colleague who is well known in the field of psychology of religion. He tells students who are interested in that field that there are almost no jobs in the field of psychology of religion. People interested in it should have a main focus in an area where people do get hired (for example, social psychology) and a secondary interest in psychology of religion. Then, once they get tenure, they can switch and make psychology of religion their major focus.

    Would you say this advice holds for people interested in MSR? Or is it really off base? What has been the experience of those of you who read this list who did dissertations on an MSR topic and did a job talk on that topic? The Academy job listings have almost no listings for MSR positions, so how did you decide what openings to apply to?

    - Don
    ---
    Don McCormick, Ph.D.
    2030 Overland Avenue
    Los Angeles, CA 90025
    (310) 470-2492



  • 2.  Career Advice for People Interested in MSR

    Posted 09-16-2006 17:15
    Don:

    We used to give the same advice to PhD candidates interested in Entrepreneurship when it was a minor field -- major in something employable and tenurable, do the work in the hybrid field.  

    Perhaps there is hope in the growth of fields destined to become larger.  

    But I have two problems with this advice in MSR.  The first is an ethical one.  Doing one's tenure-track work in one field, with the long-term intent to switch once tenured, is the kind of bait-and-switch tactics we so abhor that some jurisdictions even make them illegal.  Since most MSR folks will be looked to for at least some ethical leadership, this is a problematic tactic that could easily backfire.

    The second problem is that it is really hard to do such good work in a secondary field that one will succeed to tenure in it when one's heart is motivated by something else.  To draw again from Entrepreneurship, we tend to coach students to find their passion first, then pursue it.  There is, of course, a trade-off between idealism and making a living, but I think we find great performances almost always coming from motivated and focused people.  Indeed, it's hard for me to see how people could do fine work without that framework.  

    The real problem seems to me to be not the market issue -- it is what it is -- but the way we package our work.  For appointment, promotion, and tenure, one needs to present work that colleagues in other fields can assess.  Thus, a person who does such obscure work that no one else can assess its merits is taking a considerable flier of the good faith of colleagues.  It remains ever vulnerable, without anyone to speak for it except the performer.  The evolved concept of doing MSR-related work within a field that has sufficient mass to have several colleagues able to assess its merits seems to me to be part of the solution.  Thus, if one does MSR aspects of larger, more established fields, scholars in those other fields will be able to assess the journals and that part of the tradition with which the MSR scholar is working.  Finding a way to ground those collegial assessments in more than one major field sounds like an even better idea.  For example, examining the MSR aspects of corporate strategy and marketing effectiveness, or issues related to both workplace performance and entry screening, might be effective ways to ground work in large traditions, while extending them in interesting ways -- and still being true one's core interest.  

    Another important source of strength is right here -- the MSR Interest Group and similar associations of like-minded people.  These networks provide external validators, as well as collegial support.  They are also great sources of co-authors, job leads, and intellectual strength.  The established scholars in this Group are likely to be the ones who pressure their schools to include MSR terms in new job descriptions.  My impression is that we are making progress in numbers and formal visibility, but that much of the MSR work remains below the radar in most schools.  It is still emerging, so we should expect opportunities to do MSR work to be still buried in job descriptions that contain older terminology.  

    I would suggest you tell the new doctoral student to pursue his passion for this field, while becoming broadly educated and networked.  Do good work, and make sure its relevance to larger fields is clear.  Urgency to do the work needs to be tempered with some patience concerning the emergence of a large and distinct field.  MSR is clearly on the map of the Academy.  

    Best,

    Tom Bryant.

    Dr. Tom Bryant, Executive Director
    Center for Innovation & Entrepreneurship
    Visiting Rohrer Professor of Entrepreneurial Studies
    Rohrer College of Business, Rowan University
    Glassboro, NJ 08028, USA
    (856) 256-4126;  e-mail:  bryant@rowan.edu

    On Sep 15, 2006, at 3:26 PM, Don McCormick wrote:

    Hi All

    I just received a request for career advice from a new doctoral student interested in MSR. I'm not sure what to tell him.

    I have a colleague who is well known in the field of psychology of religion. He tells students who are interested in that field that there are almost no jobs in the field of psychology of religion. People interested in it should have a main focus in an area where people do get hired (for example, social psychology) and a secondary interest in psychology of religion. Then, once they get tenure, they can switch and make psychology of religion their major focus.

    Would you say this advice holds for people interested in MSR? Or is it really off base? What has been the experience of those of you who read this list who did dissertations on an MSR topic and did a job talk on that topic? The Academy job listings have almost no listings for MSR positions, so how did you decide what openings to apply to?

    - Don
    ---
    Don McCormick, Ph.D.
    2030 Overland Avenue
    Los Angeles, CA 90025
    (310) 470-2492




  • 3.  Career Advice for People Interested in MSR

    Posted 09-16-2006 20:40
    Don,

    There is both a practical issue here and an issue of
    following ones heart. It think that from a practical
    standpoint, this is very good advice. But asking someone who
    really wants to do this to put their heart on hold for six
    years is (I think) not good for them psychologically or
    spiritually. It can get you down if you are doing things to
    satisfy the external world for tenure while denying what
    fulfills you.

    I'd advocate your strategy, with a modification--integrate
    MSR wherever you can, paying careful attention to developing
    a vita that reflects mainstream topics but brings MSR
    perspectives into it. I think that my friend Jody Fry (Jody,
    hope you don't mind me using you as an example) is the
    prototype of this strategy. He is doing great leadership
    work (very mainstream topic), successfully integrating MSR
    into itm and hitting the journals with it.

    Which brings me to a related issue: We in MSR need to teach
    and assist our students and colleagues to make this
    adjustment IF THEY WISH TO DO SO. I'm off the strict "MSR
    must be a science" bandwagon that I was on years ago, but I
    am still very cognizant that the journals are not. This is
    yet another strategy--to do scientific work prior to tenure
    (integrating MSR concepts, again) and more conceptual work
    thereafter.

    Just an opinion...it's a great topic for discussion.

    Bob

    Robert A. Giacalone, Ph.D.
    Department of Human Resource Management
    Acting Director, Center for Ethics and Organizational Integrity
    313 Speakman Hall, FSBM
    Temple University
    1810 N. 13th St.
    Philadelphia, PA 19122
    e-mail: ragiacal@temple.edu
    Work phone: 215 204-7038
    Fax: (215) 204-8362

    Without a rich heart, wealth is an ugly beggar.--Ralph Waldo Emerson

    It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society - Krishnamurti

    To care for anyone else enough to make their problems one's own, is ever the beginning of one's real ethical development--Felix Adler


  • 4.  Career Advice for People Interested in MSR

    Posted 09-17-2006 01:53
    Don,
    this is a very timely topic for me. I am a PhD student completing my
    dissertation in Australia. I have just received permanent residence visa to
    Canada and will be moving there within the next year. I started the job
    search and I didn't find any vacancy associated with MSR stream. At this
    point my main focus is on finding like-minded people, and see whether I can
    find jobs at their universities. And then of course, it is about OB
    lecturing or something like that. I guess junior faculty doesn't have a
    luxury at this point to be hired on the MSR position (and are they there?).
    So, I would consider myself lucky if I could find a job at the Uni that
    gives a chance to research in this area and to work with senior academics
    who belong to MSR stream.
    Would love to hear from all of you.

    Also I would to take this chance to say hello to everyone I met in Atlanta.
    It was an honour to meet all of you. I am blessed to having started working
    in the area which gets me connected to so talented and beautiful people.

    Cheers from Sydney,
    Katya Zhuravleva





    >From: Don McCormick <don_mccormick@REDLANDS.EDU>
    >Reply-To: "Management, Spirituality & Religion" <MSR@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU>
    >To: MSR@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU
    >Subject: Career Advice for People Interested in MSR
    >Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 12:26:17 -0700
    >
    >Hi All
    >
    >I just received a request for career advice from a new doctoral student
    >interested in MSR. I'm not sure what to tell him.
    >
    >I have a colleague who is well known in the field of psychology of
    >religion. He tells students who are interested in that field that there
    >are almost no jobs in the field of psychology of religion. People
    >interested in it should have a main focus in an area where people do get
    >hired (for example, social psychology) and a secondary interest in
    >psychology of religion. Then, once they get tenure, they can switch and
    >make psychology of religion their major focus.
    >
    >Would you say this advice holds for people interested in MSR? Or is it
    >really off base? What has been the experience of those of you who read
    >this list who did dissertations on an MSR topic and did a job talk on that
    >topic? The Academy job listings have almost no listings for MSR positions,
    >so how did you decide what openings to apply to?
    >
    >- Don
    >---
    >Don McCormick, Ph.D.
    >2030 Overland Avenue
    >Los Angeles, CA 90025
    >dwm2@cwru.edu
    >(310) 470-2492
    >http://newton.uor.edu/FacultyFolder/DMcCormick/Site/Welcome.html
    >
    >


  • 5.  Career Advice for People Interested in MSR

    Posted 09-17-2006 19:42
    My basic response is that good solid research will get published in peer
    reviewed journals. And , it is already clear to me that good journals (e.g.,
    The Leadership Quarterly, which is currently rated 9th in management and 6th
    in psychology based on citations and downloads) are willing to publish good
    MSR research. We also have our own journal, JMSR, that is publishing ever
    better quality quantitative and qualitative MSR research. The real question
    then becomes at what type of institution do you want to work and what are
    their standards for success? For example, Tarleton State University is a
    second tier school that has a strong emphasis on teaching. All anyone has to
    do here, researchwise, is have a few hits in SOME peer reviewed journals
    and/or national or regional meeting proceedings.

    On the other hand, if you want to be in the top tier schools like Texas A&M
    and The University of Washington (where I had tenuer), you'll have to hit
    the top 5 journals to get tenure. Right now JAP, AMJ, and AMR are a stretch
    for our field (I'm trying my best to change that). This is nothing new. When
    I came out of Ohio State in 1978 I had offers from both Texas A&M and The
    University of Texas. However, OB was a relatively new field and I was told
    at Texas that a publication in AMJ wouldn't count (The wanted stuff in
    Management Science). Therefore, I chose Texas A&M where my friend Don
    Hellriegel (Top OB book with John Slocum and a past Academy president) was
    then Department head.

    So I don't think you have to compromise anything to have a successful career
    that emphasizes MSR. The key to this is the same as in any spiritual quest:
    Know thyself, seek transcendence through purpose, and find a community where
    you can be accepted, appreciated, and loved unconditionally. Take this
    journey in faith and the rest will take care of itself.

    Louis W. (Jody) Fry
    Professor of Management
    Tarleton State University - Central Texas
    1901 South Clear Creek Road
    Killeen, Texas 76549
    254-519-5476


    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Ekaterina Zhuravleva" <ekaterina_zhuravleva@HOTMAIL.COM>
    To: <MSR@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU>
    Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 12:53 AM
    Subject: Re: Career Advice for People Interested in MSR


    > Don,
    > this is a very timely topic for me. I am a PhD student completing my
    > dissertation in Australia. I have just received permanent residence visa
    > to Canada and will be moving there within the next year. I started the job
    > search and I didn't find any vacancy associated with MSR stream. At this
    > point my main focus is on finding like-minded people, and see whether I
    > can find jobs at their universities. And then of course, it is about OB
    > lecturing or something like that. I guess junior faculty doesn't have a
    > luxury at this point to be hired on the MSR position (and are they
    > there?). So, I would consider myself lucky if I could find a job at the
    > Uni that gives a chance to research in this area and to work with senior
    > academics who belong to MSR stream.
    > Would love to hear from all of you.
    >
    > Also I would to take this chance to say hello to everyone I met in
    > Atlanta. It was an honour to meet all of you. I am blessed to having
    > started working in the area which gets me connected to so talented and
    > beautiful people.
    >
    > Cheers from Sydney,
    > Katya Zhuravleva
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >>From: Don McCormick <don_mccormick@REDLANDS.EDU>
    >>Reply-To: "Management, Spirituality & Religion" <MSR@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU>
    >>To: MSR@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU
    >>Subject: Career Advice for People Interested in MSR
    >>Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 12:26:17 -0700
    >>
    >>Hi All
    >>
    >>I just received a request for career advice from a new doctoral student
    >>interested in MSR. I'm not sure what to tell him.
    >>
    >>I have a colleague who is well known in the field of psychology of
    >>religion. He tells students who are interested in that field that there
    >>are almost no jobs in the field of psychology of religion. People
    >>interested in it should have a main focus in an area where people do get
    >>hired (for example, social psychology) and a secondary interest in
    >>psychology of religion. Then, once they get tenure, they can switch and
    >>make psychology of religion their major focus.
    >>
    >>Would you say this advice holds for people interested in MSR? Or is it
    >>really off base? What has been the experience of those of you who read
    >>this list who did dissertations on an MSR topic and did a job talk on
    >>that topic? The Academy job listings have almost no listings for MSR
    >>positions, so how did you decide what openings to apply to?
    >>
    >>- Don
    >>---
    >>Don McCormick, Ph.D.
    >>2030 Overland Avenue
    >>Los Angeles, CA 90025
    >>dwm2@cwru.edu
    >>(310) 470-2492
    >>http://newton.uor.edu/FacultyFolder/DMcCormick/Site/Welcome.html
    >>
    >>
    >


  • 6.  Career Advice for People Interested in MSR

    Posted 09-18-2006 00:39
    Don:

    We used to give the same advice to PhD candidates interested in Entrepreneurship when it was a minor field -- major in something employable and tenurable, do the work in the hybrid field.  

    Perhaps there is hope in the growth of fields destined to become larger.  

    But I have two problems with this advice in MSR.  The first is an ethical one.  Doing one's tenure-track work in one field, with the long-term intent to switch once tenured, is the kind of bait-and-switch tactics we so abhor that some jurisdictions even make them illegal.  Since most MSR folks will be looked to for at least some ethical leadership, this is a problematic tactic that could easily backfire.

    The second problem is that it is really hard to do such good work in a secondary field that one will succeed to tenure in it when one's heart is motivated by something else.  To draw again from Entrepreneurship, we tend to coach students to find their passion first, then pursue it.  There is, of course, a trade-off between idealism and making a living, but I think we find great performances almost always coming from motivated and focused people.  Indeed, it's hard for me to see how people could do fine work without that framework.  

    The real problem seems to me to be not the market issue -- it is what it is -- but the way we package our work.  For appointment, promotion, and tenure, one needs to present work that colleagues in other fields can assess.  Thus, a person who does such obscure work that no one else can assess its merits is taking a considerable flier of the good faith of colleagues.  It remains ever vulnerable, without anyone to speak for it except the performer.  The evolved concept of doing MSR-related work within a field that has sufficient mass to have several colleagues able to assess its merits seems to me to be part of the solution.  Thus, if one does MSR aspects of larger, more established fields, scholars in those other fields will be able to assess the journals and that part of the tradition with which the MSR scholar is working.  Finding a way to ground those collegial assessments in more than one major field sounds like an even better idea.  For example, examining the MSR aspects of corporate strategy and marketing effectiveness, or issues related to both workplace performance and entry screening, might be effective ways to ground work in large traditions, while extending them in interesting ways -- and still being true one's core interest.  

    Another important source of strength is right here -- the MSR Interest Group and similar associations of like-minded people.  These networks provide external validators, as well as collegial support.  They are also great sources of co-authors, job leads, and intellectual strength.  The established scholars in this Group are likely to be the ones who pressure their schools to include MSR terms in new job descriptions.  My impression is that we are making progress in numbers and formal visibility, but that much of the MSR work remains below the radar in most schools.  It is still emerging, so we should expect opportunities to do MSR work to be still buried in job descriptions that contain older terminology.  

    I would suggest you tell the new doctoral student to pursue his passion for this field, while becoming broadly educated and networked.  Do good work, and make sure its relevance to larger fields is clear.  Urgency to do the work needs to be tempered with some patience concerning the emergence of a large and distinct field.  MSR is clearly on the map of the Academy.  

    Best,

    Tom Bryant.

    Dr. Tom Bryant, Executive Director
    Center for Innovation & Entrepreneurship
    Visiting Rohrer Professor of Entrepreneurial Studies
    Rohrer College of Business, Rowan University
    Glassboro, NJ 08028, USA
    (856) 256-4126;  e-mail:  bryant@rowan.edu

    On Sep 15, 2006, at 3:26 PM, Don McCormick wrote:

    Hi All

    I just received a request for career advice from a new doctoral student interested in MSR. I'm not sure what to tell him.

    I have a colleague who is well known in the field of psychology of religion. He tells students who are interested in that field that there are almost no jobs in the field of psychology of religion. People interested in it should have a main focus in an area where people do get hired (for example, social psychology) and a secondary interest in psychology of religion. Then, once they get tenure, they can switch and make psychology of religion their major focus.

    Would you say this advice holds for people interested in MSR? Or is it really off base? What has been the experience of those of you who read this list who did dissertations on an MSR topic and did a job talk on that topic? The Academy job listings have almost no listings for MSR positions, so how did you decide what openings to apply to?

    - Don
    ---
    Don McCormick, Ph.D.
    2030 Overland Avenue
    Los Angeles, CA 90025
    (310) 470-2492




  • 7.  Career Advice for People Interested in MSR

    Posted 09-19-2006 12:48
    Bob,

    You really piqued my interest when you said that, "I'm off the strict 'MSR must be a science' bandwagon that I was on years ago..." This seemed to be the approach that you and Carole Jurkiewicz used in your Handbook of Workplace Spirituality and Organizational Performance.

    Could you briefly speak to that, and say a little bit about what caused your change of direction and where your thinking is today?

    Allen Stout
    Adjunct Professor, Public Administration
    University of La Verne
    stouta@ulv.edu
    714-381-5910

    ---- Original message ----
    >Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 20:39:33 -0400
    >From: "Robert A. Giacalone" <ragiacal@TEMPLE.EDU>
    >Subject: Re: Career Advice for People Interested in MSR
    >To: MSR@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU
    >
    >Don,
    >
    >There is both a practical issue here and an issue of
    >following ones heart. It think that from a practical
    >standpoint, this is very good advice. But asking someone who
    >really wants to do this to put their heart on hold for six
    >years is (I think) not good for them psychologically or
    >spiritually. It can get you down if you are doing things to
    >satisfy the external world for tenure while denying what
    >fulfills you.
    >
    >I'd advocate your strategy, with a modification--integrate
    >MSR wherever you can, paying careful attention to developing
    >a vita that reflects mainstream topics but brings MSR
    >perspectives into it. I think that my friend Jody Fry (Jody,
    >hope you don't mind me using you as an example) is the
    >prototype of this strategy. He is doing great leadership
    >work (very mainstream topic), successfully integrating MSR
    >into itm and hitting the journals with it.
    >
    >Which brings me to a related issue: We in MSR need to teach
    >and assist our students and colleagues to make this
    >adjustment IF THEY WISH TO DO SO. I'm off the strict "MSR
    >must be a science" bandwagon that I was on years ago, but I
    >am still very cognizant that the journals are not. This is
    >yet another strategy--to do scientific work prior to tenure
    >(integrating MSR concepts, again) and more conceptual work
    >thereafter.
    >
    >Just an opinion...it's a great topic for discussion.
    >
    >Bob
    >
    >Robert A. Giacalone, Ph.D.
    >Department of Human Resource Management
    >Acting Director, Center for Ethics and Organizational Integrity
    >313 Speakman Hall, FSBM
    >Temple University
    >1810 N. 13th St.
    >Philadelphia, PA 19122
    >e-mail: ragiacal@temple.edu
    >Work phone: 215 204-7038
    >Fax: (215) 204-8362
    >
    >Without a rich heart, wealth is an ugly beggar.--Ralph Waldo Emerson
    >
    >It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society - Krishnamurti
    >
    >To care for anyone else enough to make their problems one's own, is ever the beginning of one's real ethical development--Felix Adler


  • 8.  Career Advice for People Interested in MSR

    Posted 09-29-2006 08:06
    Whereas we (though we'd often like to think we are immune) are very much
    part of the world economy, we have to conform to popular demand, at
    least to some degree, in order to get anything published. In an ideal
    society, everyone finds the perfect union of popular demand, interest,
    and talent. But, unfortunately, we do not live in an ideal society, and
    I think it's important for us to remember a few things:

    1) Great breakthroughs and trends often start slowly. Einstein was in
    poverty when he made some of his first breakthroughs- and it took quite
    a while before anyone else realized the magnitude of his ideas (in other
    words, even after his ideas were starting to be disseminated, he
    REMAINED in poverty). Another example is Mozart, but the list could go
    on to include many other great thinkers who not only had to come up with
    their ideas, but they had to show others the power of their ideas- they
    had to market them!

    2) Despite the "rational" trend of secularization, the world is
    inevitably heading towards (if it isn't already there) increased concern
    over issues of faith, morality, and ethics. Open discussion and
    consideration of such issues are what make academics such a wonderful
    profession to be in (as long as protection from closed-mindedness,
    extremism and fanaticism continues). Given that the world is headed for
    increased discussion on topics of Spirit and Religion, it is very likely
    that popular demand for this class of dialogue will increase
    dramatically in the coming years- though this demand may take a little
    while to get going...

    Having said that, I agree with what has already been said: It's
    possible, but rare, that someone who truly pursues her/his interests
    with full courage and capacity, will regret it in the long run- either
    financially or professionally.

    Shaun Hansen

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Management, Spirituality & Religion [mailto:MSR@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU]
    On Behalf Of Dr. Fry
    Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 7:42 PM
    To: MSR@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU
    Subject: Re: Career Advice for People Interested in MSR

    My basic response is that good solid research will get published in peer

    reviewed journals. And , it is already clear to me that good journals
    (e.g.,
    The Leadership Quarterly, which is currently rated 9th in management and
    6th
    in psychology based on citations and downloads) are willing to publish
    good
    MSR research. We also have our own journal, JMSR, that is publishing
    ever
    better quality quantitative and qualitative MSR research. The real
    question
    then becomes at what type of institution do you want to work and what
    are
    their standards for success? For example, Tarleton State University is a

    second tier school that has a strong emphasis on teaching. All anyone
    has to
    do here, researchwise, is have a few hits in SOME peer reviewed journals

    and/or national or regional meeting proceedings.

    On the other hand, if you want to be in the top tier schools like Texas
    A&M
    and The University of Washington (where I had tenuer), you'll have to
    hit
    the top 5 journals to get tenure. Right now JAP, AMJ, and AMR are a
    stretch
    for our field (I'm trying my best to change that). This is nothing new.
    When
    I came out of Ohio State in 1978 I had offers from both Texas A&M and
    The
    University of Texas. However, OB was a relatively new field and I was
    told
    at Texas that a publication in AMJ wouldn't count (The wanted stuff in
    Management Science). Therefore, I chose Texas A&M where my friend Don
    Hellriegel (Top OB book with John Slocum and a past Academy president)
    was
    then Department head.

    So I don't think you have to compromise anything to have a successful
    career
    that emphasizes MSR. The key to this is the same as in any spiritual
    quest:
    Know thyself, seek transcendence through purpose, and find a community
    where
    you can be accepted, appreciated, and loved unconditionally. Take this
    journey in faith and the rest will take care of itself.

    Louis W. (Jody) Fry
    Professor of Management
    Tarleton State University - Central Texas
    1901 South Clear Creek Road
    Killeen, Texas 76549
    254-519-5476


    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Ekaterina Zhuravleva" <ekaterina_zhuravleva@HOTMAIL.COM>
    To: <MSR@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU>
    Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 12:53 AM
    Subject: Re: Career Advice for People Interested in MSR


    > Don,
    > this is a very timely topic for me. I am a PhD student completing my
    > dissertation in Australia. I have just received permanent residence
    visa
    > to Canada and will be moving there within the next year. I started the
    job
    > search and I didn't find any vacancy associated with MSR stream. At
    this
    > point my main focus is on finding like-minded people, and see whether
    I
    > can find jobs at their universities. And then of course, it is about
    OB
    > lecturing or something like that. I guess junior faculty doesn't have
    a
    > luxury at this point to be hired on the MSR position (and are they
    > there?). So, I would consider myself lucky if I could find a job at
    the
    > Uni that gives a chance to research in this area and to work with
    senior
    > academics who belong to MSR stream.
    > Would love to hear from all of you.
    >
    > Also I would to take this chance to say hello to everyone I met in
    > Atlanta. It was an honour to meet all of you. I am blessed to having
    > started working in the area which gets me connected to so talented and

    > beautiful people.
    >
    > Cheers from Sydney,
    > Katya Zhuravleva
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >>From: Don McCormick <don_mccormick@REDLANDS.EDU>
    >>Reply-To: "Management, Spirituality & Religion"
    <MSR@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU>
    >>To: MSR@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU
    >>Subject: Career Advice for People Interested in MSR
    >>Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 12:26:17 -0700
    >>
    >>Hi All
    >>
    >>I just received a request for career advice from a new doctoral
    student
    >>interested in MSR. I'm not sure what to tell him.
    >>
    >>I have a colleague who is well known in the field of psychology of
    >>religion. He tells students who are interested in that field that
    there
    >>are almost no jobs in the field of psychology of religion. People
    >>interested in it should have a main focus in an area where people do
    get
    >>hired (for example, social psychology) and a secondary interest in
    >>psychology of religion. Then, once they get tenure, they can switch
    and
    >>make psychology of religion their major focus.
    >>
    >>Would you say this advice holds for people interested in MSR? Or is
    it
    >>really off base? What has been the experience of those of you who
    read
    >>this list who did dissertations on an MSR topic and did a job talk on

    >>that topic? The Academy job listings have almost no listings for MSR
    >>positions, so how did you decide what openings to apply to?
    >>
    >>- Don
    >>---
    >>Don McCormick, Ph.D.
    >>2030 Overland Avenue
    >>Los Angeles, CA 90025
    >>dwm2@cwru.edu
    >>(310) 470-2492
    >>http://newton.uor.edu/FacultyFolder/DMcCormick/Site/Welcome.html
    >>
    >>
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