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2009 Roundtables... Regent University, Evangelical Christians, MSR

  • 1.  2009 Roundtables... Regent University, Evangelical Christians, MSR

    Posted 04-01-2009 22:00
    It is nice to see the message about the "2009 Roundtables of
    Contemporary Research & Practice" at Regent University. (Regent
    University was founded in 1978 by the television evangelist Pat
    Robertson, who is also the university's president and chancellor.)
    Conservative evangelical Christians make up a huge part of the
    spiritual and religious landscape around the world and I worry
    sometimes that they aren't a more visible presence in MSR. I wonder if
    MSR is seen as inhospitable by conservative evangelical Christians. I
    noticed that at the last AoM meeting there was a Christian Management
    Scholars breakfast and it did not appear to be sponsored by or even to
    have anything to do with the Management, Spirituality and Religion
    interest group. (Did anyone on this list attend this meeting? Is there
    something to my concerns?)

    Although I am not a Christian--conservative, evangelical or otherwise--
    I would hope that MSR would be a place where scholars from and
    interested in the whole range of spiritual and religious traditions
    would feel welcome. And I hope that next year, there is not only a
    Christian Management Scholars breakfast but that there are also Muslim
    Management Scholars breakfasts, Jewish Management Scholars breakfasts,
    Buddhist Management Scholars breakfasts, etc. And that they are all co-
    sponsored by MSR.

    "But that's just my opinion. I may be wrong."*

    - Don

    ---
    Don McCormick
    Department of Management, College of Business and Economics
    California State University Northridge, Juniper Hall 4218
    18111 Nordhoff St., Northridge CA 91330
    http://www.csun.edu/~dmccormick (818) 677-2418

    * At the end of every rant that the comedian Dennis Miller's gets
    worked up about, he says this tag line. It perfectly captures how I
    feel.

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  • 2.  2009 Roundtables... Regent University, Evangelical Christians, MSR

    Posted 04-02-2009 08:17
    Or as Billy Joel suggested, You "may be right".
    I am a Christian and have felt a bit of a gap in the R of MSR, at the MSR
    sessions I have attended at AoM meetings and in MSR work published in
    management/organizational studies domain. I think that Don is right and that
    there needs to be an effort on both parts, Christian scholars connecting
    with MSR and MSR connecting with Christian scholars (and indeed also with
    Muslim, Jewish, Buddhist, etc scholars) so that MSR is seen as being truly
    interdisciplinary and interdenominational.

    Cathy Driscoll

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Management, Spirituality & Religion [mailto:MSR@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU] On
    Behalf Of Don McCormick
    Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 11:00 PM
    To: MSR@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU
    Subject: Re: 2009 Roundtables... Regent University, Evangelical Christians,
    MSR

    It is nice to see the message about the "2009 Roundtables of Contemporary
    Research & Practice" at Regent University. (Regent University was founded in
    1978 by the television evangelist Pat Robertson, who is also the
    university's president and chancellor.) Conservative evangelical Christians
    make up a huge part of the spiritual and religious landscape around the
    world and I worry sometimes that they aren't a more visible presence in MSR.
    I wonder if MSR is seen as inhospitable by conservative evangelical
    Christians. I noticed that at the last AoM meeting there was a Christian
    Management Scholars breakfast and it did not appear to be sponsored by or
    even to have anything to do with the Management, Spirituality and Religion
    interest group. (Did anyone on this list attend this meeting? Is there
    something to my concerns?)

    Although I am not a Christian--conservative, evangelical or otherwise-- I
    would hope that MSR would be a place where scholars from and interested in
    the whole range of spiritual and religious traditions would feel welcome.
    And I hope that next year, there is not only a Christian Management Scholars
    breakfast but that there are also Muslim Management Scholars breakfasts,
    Jewish Management Scholars breakfasts, Buddhist Management Scholars
    breakfasts, etc. And that they are all co- sponsored by MSR.

    "But that's just my opinion. I may be wrong."*

    - Don

    ---
    Don McCormick
    Department of Management, College of Business and Economics California State
    University Northridge, Juniper Hall 4218
    18111 Nordhoff St., Northridge CA 91330
    http://www.csun.edu/~dmccormick (818) 677-2418

    * At the end of every rant that the comedian Dennis Miller's gets worked up
    about, he says this tag line. It perfectly captures how I feel.

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  • 3.  2009 Roundtables... Regent University, Evangelical Christians, MSR

    Posted 04-02-2009 08:22
    Hi Don,
    Thanks for sharing your thoughful observation. You've put your finger on
    something important, and rightly challenged us in MSR to pause and be a bit
    introspective about our self-understanding, and how respectful and welcoming
    we are to others in the "R" part of MSR, particularly those from more
    conservative traditions.

    Having been part of various groups in and outside of AOM and MSR, my sense
    is that we have some room for improvement. This is an opportunity.
    Cheers,
    David
    Director, Princeton University Faith & Work Initiative
    dwm@princeton.edu



    -----Original Message-----
    From: Management, Spirituality & Religion [mailto:MSR@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU] On
    Behalf Of Don McCormick
    Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 10:00 PM
    To: MSR@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU
    Subject: Re: 2009 Roundtables... Regent University, Evangelical Christians,
    MSR

    It is nice to see the message about the "2009 Roundtables of Contemporary
    Research & Practice" at Regent University. (Regent University was founded in
    1978 by the television evangelist Pat Robertson, who is also the
    university's president and chancellor.) Conservative evangelical Christians
    make up a huge part of the spiritual and religious landscape around the
    world and I worry sometimes that they aren't a more visible presence in MSR.
    I wonder if MSR is seen as inhospitable by conservative evangelical
    Christians. I noticed that at the last AoM meeting there was a Christian
    Management Scholars breakfast and it did not appear to be sponsored by or
    even to have anything to do with the Management, Spirituality and Religion
    interest group. (Did anyone on this list attend this meeting? Is there
    something to my concerns?)

    Although I am not a Christian--conservative, evangelical or otherwise-- I
    would hope that MSR would be a place where scholars from and interested in
    the whole range of spiritual and religious traditions would feel welcome.
    And I hope that next year, there is not only a Christian Management Scholars
    breakfast but that there are also Muslim Management Scholars breakfasts,
    Jewish Management Scholars breakfasts, Buddhist Management Scholars
    breakfasts, etc. And that they are all co- sponsored by MSR.

    "But that's just my opinion. I may be wrong."*

    - Don

    ---
    Don McCormick
    Department of Management, College of Business and Economics California State
    University Northridge, Juniper Hall 4218
    18111 Nordhoff St., Northridge CA 91330
    http://www.csun.edu/~dmccormick (818) 677-2418

    * At the end of every rant that the comedian Dennis Miller's gets worked up
    about, he says this tag line. It perfectly captures how I feel.

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  • 4.  2009 Roundtables... Regent University, Evangelical Christians, MSR

    Posted 04-02-2009 09:27
    I think the operative word here is "scholarship." On that I couldn't agree more. There has been a dearth of paper submissions and active participation from scholars that want to do research in MSR's domain who represent areas such as the psychology and philosophy of religion and schools of theology .



    However, as one who has been active in MSR since 2002, I don't have any sense of exclusion or neglect of religious scholarship or religious scholars. I do believe though that MSR has been very careful and overt about not wanting to be a forum for promoting religious political agendas, doctrine, or proselytization.



    So my invitation is for those of you who desire to be active in this arena to come to our MSR sessions in Chicago this August and be an advocate for this issue. I'm sure we'll embrace your enthusiasm and try to find a way to channel it to the betterment of MSR and our field.



    Louis W. (Jody) Fry
    Professor of Management
    Tarleton State University - Central Texas
    1901 South Clear Creek Rd. Killeen, Texas 76549
    254-519-5476
    fry@tarleton.edu

    ________________________________

    From: Management, Spirituality & Religion on behalf of Cathy Driscoll
    Sent: Thu 4/2/2009 7:17 AM
    To: MSR@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU
    Subject: Re: 2009 Roundtables... Regent University, Evangelical Christians, MSR



    Or as Billy Joel suggested, You "may be right".
    I am a Christian and have felt a bit of a gap in the R of MSR, at the MSR
    sessions I have attended at AoM meetings and in MSR work published in
    management/organizational studies domain. I think that Don is right and that
    there needs to be an effort on both parts, Christian scholars connecting
    with MSR and MSR connecting with Christian scholars (and indeed also with
    Muslim, Jewish, Buddhist, etc scholars) so that MSR is seen as being truly
    interdisciplinary and interdenominational.

    Cathy Driscoll

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Management, Spirituality & Religion [mailto:MSR@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU] On
    Behalf Of Don McCormick
    Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 11:00 PM
    To: MSR@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU
    Subject: Re: 2009 Roundtables... Regent University, Evangelical Christians,
    MSR

    It is nice to see the message about the "2009 Roundtables of Contemporary
    Research & Practice" at Regent University. (Regent University was founded in
    1978 by the television evangelist Pat Robertson, who is also the
    university's president and chancellor.) Conservative evangelical Christians
    make up a huge part of the spiritual and religious landscape around the
    world and I worry sometimes that they aren't a more visible presence in MSR.
    I wonder if MSR is seen as inhospitable by conservative evangelical
    Christians. I noticed that at the last AoM meeting there was a Christian
    Management Scholars breakfast and it did not appear to be sponsored by or
    even to have anything to do with the Management, Spirituality and Religion
    interest group. (Did anyone on this list attend this meeting? Is there
    something to my concerns?)

    Although I am not a Christian--conservative, evangelical or otherwise-- I
    would hope that MSR would be a place where scholars from and interested in
    the whole range of spiritual and religious traditions would feel welcome.
    And I hope that next year, there is not only a Christian Management Scholars
    breakfast but that there are also Muslim Management Scholars breakfasts,
    Jewish Management Scholars breakfasts, Buddhist Management Scholars
    breakfasts, etc. And that they are all co- sponsored by MSR.

    "But that's just my opinion. I may be wrong."*

    - Don

    ---
    Don McCormick
    Department of Management, College of Business and Economics California State
    University Northridge, Juniper Hall 4218
    18111 Nordhoff St., Northridge CA 91330
    http://www.csun.edu/~dmccormick (818) 677-2418

    * At the end of every rant that the comedian Dennis Miller's gets worked up
    about, he says this tag line. It perfectly captures how I feel.

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  • 5.  2009 Roundtables... Regent University, Evangelical Christians, MSR

    Posted 04-02-2009 11:08
    Hi,

    I'm a convservative evangelical Christian. In fact, I received my doctorate in Strategic Leadership from Regent. I'm new to this forum so I don't have enough experience with it to know whether the MSR is inhospitable to conservative Christians. I'm willing to do what I can to let others know about the Christian perspective on management issues. In fact, that is the theme of my personal blogsite. Let me know if you have any ideas about how I can do a better job of being more visible.

    Greg Waddell
    Director of Institutional Improvement
    Mid-South Christian College
    Memphis, TN
    901.581.5735


    On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 9:00 PM, Don McCormick <don.mccormick@csun.edu> wrote:
    It is nice to see the message about the "2009 Roundtables of Contemporary Research & Practice" at Regent University. (Regent University was founded in 1978 by the television evangelist Pat Robertson, who is also the university's president and chancellor.) Conservative evangelical Christians make up a huge part of the spiritual and religious landscape around the world and I worry sometimes that they aren't a more visible presence in MSR. I wonder if MSR is seen as inhospitable by conservative evangelical Christians. I noticed that at the last AoM meeting there was a Christian Management Scholars breakfast and it did not appear to be sponsored by or even to have anything to do with the Management, Spirituality and Religion interest group. (Did anyone on this list attend this meeting? Is there something to my concerns?)

    Although I am not a Christian--conservative, evangelical or otherwise--I would hope that MSR would be a place where scholars from and interested in the whole range of spiritual and religious traditions would feel welcome. And I hope that next year, there is not only a Christian Management Scholars breakfast but that there are also Muslim Management Scholars breakfasts, Jewish Management Scholars breakfasts, Buddhist Management Scholars breakfasts, etc. And that they are all co-sponsored by MSR.

    "But that's just my opinion. I may be wrong."*

    - Don

    ---
    Don McCormick
    Department of Management, College of Business and Economics
    California State University Northridge, Juniper Hall 4218
    18111 Nordhoff St., Northridge CA 91330
    http://www.csun.edu/~dmccormick  (818) 677-2418

    * At the end of every rant that the comedian Dennis Miller's gets worked up about, he says this tag line. It perfectly captures how I feel.

    _______________________________________________________________________

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    --
    Dr. Gregory S. Waddell
    Director of Institutional Improvement
    Mid-South Christian College
    3097 Knight Road
    Memphis, TN 38181

    901-375-4400, Ext. 15
    Cell: 901-581-5735
    GregWaddell@midsouthcc.org

    Check out my Blog . . .
    www.SpiritOfOrganization.com
    integrating organizational theory, leadership & spirituality
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  • 6.  2009 Roundtables... Regent University, Evangelical Christians, MSR

    Posted 04-02-2009 11:09
    I agree with all of you. One of our attempts to do this in MSR was the
    creation of the Promising Dissertation Proposal Awards that Andre Delbecq
    and I designed and was sponsored by J.-Robert Ouimet, Chairman of O.C.B.
    Holding in Montreal. We would only give the awards to dissertations that
    had all 3 components of MSR. (1) It has to be related to the field of
    "Management." (2) It has to have some focus on a religious or faith
    tradition, or on "Religion" in general. (3) It has to have some focus on
    "Spirituality" in the workplace.

    Don is right. A huge part of this movement are people who are deeply living
    their Christian faith at work. Many of them are in high positions in
    organizations and are deeply spiritual. In the past, it has been like there
    are two separate streams - one called "Spirituality in the Workplace," and
    one called "Faith at Work." Neither stream has seemed to recognize the
    other or to have much respect for the other. Yet they have so much in
    common and can learn so much from each other.

    Now is a beautiful time to begin a new dialogue that is truly the
    intersection of Management, Spirituality, and Religion. It needs to be as
    inclusive, welcoming and respectful as possible. MSR has been a pioneer in
    many things in the Academy, and I hope that this sense of inclusiveness can
    be another expansion of what we do.

    A few weeks ago I stumbled across an online article from the UK that talked
    about the anti-Christian sentiment in the workplace there. It was okay for
    people of other faiths to display symbols of their faith, but not okay for
    Christians. The primary concern was over proselytizing, and there are even
    beginning to be some lawsuits. But a display of one's faith does not
    constitute proselytizing, and it should be okay for anyone of any religious
    tradition, I think.

    There are lots of opportunities for research in all of this, as well as lots
    of opportunities for education.

    Warm Regards,

    Judi Neal


    -----Original Message-----
    From: Management, Spirituality & Religion [mailto:MSR@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU] On
    Behalf Of Cathy Driscoll
    Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 8:17 AM
    To: MSR@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU
    Subject: Re: 2009 Roundtables... Regent University, Evangelical Christians,
    MSR

    Or as Billy Joel suggested, You "may be right".
    I am a Christian and have felt a bit of a gap in the R of MSR, at the MSR
    sessions I have attended at AoM meetings and in MSR work published in
    management/organizational studies domain. I think that Don is right and that
    there needs to be an effort on both parts, Christian scholars connecting
    with MSR and MSR connecting with Christian scholars (and indeed also with
    Muslim, Jewish, Buddhist, etc scholars) so that MSR is seen as being truly
    interdisciplinary and interdenominational.

    Cathy Driscoll

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Management, Spirituality & Religion [mailto:MSR@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU] On
    Behalf Of Don McCormick
    Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 11:00 PM
    To: MSR@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU
    Subject: Re: 2009 Roundtables... Regent University, Evangelical Christians,
    MSR

    It is nice to see the message about the "2009 Roundtables of Contemporary
    Research & Practice" at Regent University. (Regent University was founded in
    1978 by the television evangelist Pat Robertson, who is also the
    university's president and chancellor.) Conservative evangelical Christians
    make up a huge part of the spiritual and religious landscape around the
    world and I worry sometimes that they aren't a more visible presence in MSR.
    I wonder if MSR is seen as inhospitable by conservative evangelical
    Christians. I noticed that at the last AoM meeting there was a Christian
    Management Scholars breakfast and it did not appear to be sponsored by or
    even to have anything to do with the Management, Spirituality and Religion
    interest group. (Did anyone on this list attend this meeting? Is there
    something to my concerns?)

    Although I am not a Christian--conservative, evangelical or otherwise-- I
    would hope that MSR would be a place where scholars from and interested in
    the whole range of spiritual and religious traditions would feel welcome.
    And I hope that next year, there is not only a Christian Management Scholars
    breakfast but that there are also Muslim Management Scholars breakfasts,
    Jewish Management Scholars breakfasts, Buddhist Management Scholars
    breakfasts, etc. And that they are all co- sponsored by MSR.

    "But that's just my opinion. I may be wrong."*

    - Don

    ---
    Don McCormick
    Department of Management, College of Business and Economics California State
    University Northridge, Juniper Hall 4218
    18111 Nordhoff St., Northridge CA 91330
    http://www.csun.edu/~dmccormick (818) 677-2418

    * At the end of every rant that the comedian Dennis Miller's gets worked up
    about, he says this tag line. It perfectly captures how I feel.

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  • 7.  2009 Roundtables... Regent University, Evangelical Christians, MSR

    Posted 04-02-2009 13:12
    Dear Friends,
    Let me introduce myself: I'm Jewish, I'm from Israel, and I'm teaching courses about spirituality and management in the executive education center of Tel Aviv University. (Alas, not (yet?) in the regular MBA programs of our business school).
    As I read the letters of this last discussion thread, I felt that we are maybe a little too much politically correct, by ignoring two facts: that some religiouns (mine included, unfortunately) are inherently disrespectful of other religions and spiritual traditions, and that sometimes, by following religion, we are so much intolerant of others, that we do not act in a spiritual way... I felt that keenly (though not personally) in some incidents at the ISOL conference in Pondicherry, India  last month (and chapeau to Sunita Singh-Sengupta for organizing it).

    So, while doing sesearch on both faith and spirituality at the workplace is  our  job and mission, as academics,  I think we should not ignore these problems, both as spiritual people and researchers. Organizing same- religious breakfasts, finding the similarities between the religions or establishing  perrenial spirituality  in not enough to  tackle these .

    All the best (to all :-) )
    Ora

    Dr. Ora Setter
    Faculty of Management
    Tel Aviv University
    Israel
    setter@post.tau.ac.il, +972522584931

     
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  • 8.  2009 Roundtables... Regent University, Evangelical Christians, MSR

    Posted 04-03-2009 10:20

    Greetings All,

     

    I would like to add a reflection on, and make a suggestion following up on a point made by Judi Neal's comment ...

     

    "Don is right.  A huge part of this movement are people who are deeply living their Christian faith at work.  Many of them are in high positions in organizations and are deeply spiritual.  In the past, it has been like there are two separate streams - one called "Spirituality in the Workplace," and one called "Faith at Work."  Neither stream has seemed to recognize the other or to have much respect for the other.  Yet they have so much in common and can learn so much from each other." (emphasis added)

     

    The 2009 Doctoral Student and New Faculty Consortium  has both Roundtable Discussions (I am planning) and a Panel Discussion being planned now by Adela McMurray (adela.mcmurray@rmit.edu.au). 

     

    Perhaps a discussion focused around connections between "Faith at Work"  and "Spirituality in the Workplace" might be a worthy topic of conversation for one of these venues!  We would invite a proposal if one of y'all would like to facilitate such a discussion!  Or, perhaps this thread suggests a different topic altogether.  If so, let's chat further.

     

    All the best,

     

    Emmett

     

    Emmett E. Perry, Jr. Ph.D.

    Assistant Professor 

    Helzberg School of Management

    1100 Rockhurst Road

    Rockhurst University

    Kansas City, MO  64110

     

    emmett.perry@rockhurst.edu

    (816) 501 4088 (office)

    (913) 620 0597 (cell)

     

     

    From: Management, Spirituality & Religion [mailto:MSR@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU] On Behalf Of Ora Setter
    Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 12:12 PM
    To: MSR@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU
    Subject: Re: 2009 Roundtables... Regent University, Evangelical Christians, MSR

     

    Dear Friends,
    Let me introduce myself: I'm Jewish, I'm from Israel, and I'm teaching courses about spirituality and management in the executive education center of Tel Aviv University. (Alas, not (yet?) in the regular MBA programs of our business school).
    As I read the letters of this last discussion thread, I felt that we are maybe a little too much politically correct, by ignoring two facts: that some religiouns (mine included, unfortunately) are inherently disrespectful of other religions and spiritual traditions, and that sometimes, by following religion, we are so much intolerant of others, that we do not act in a spiritual way... I felt that keenly (though not personally) in some incidents at the ISOL conference in Pondicherry, India  last month (and chapeau to Sunita Singh-Sengupta for organizing it).

    So, while doing sesearch on both faith and spirituality at the workplace is  our  job and mission, as academics,  I think we should not ignore these problems, both as spiritual people and researchers. Organizing same- religious breakfasts, finding the similarities between the religions or establishing  perrenial spirituality  in not enough to  tackle these .

    All the best (to all :-) )
    Ora

    Dr. Ora Setter
    Faculty of Management
    Tel Aviv University
    Israel
    setter@post.tau.ac.il, +972522584931

     

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  • 9.  2009 Roundtables... Regent University, Evangelical Christians, MSR

    Posted 04-03-2009 13:16
    Colleagues,

    I don't often weigh into these conversations, but in this case I would make a simple argument for integration.

    I think there is a danger of false dualisms here. As I understand the issue conceptually, "Spirituality" deals with an individual's personal world-view and path, and the givenness of their individual spiritual experience. [An excellent reference here is Anthony J. Steinbock, Phenomenology and Mysticism, Bloomington IN, Indiana University Press, 2007. Through the lens of phenomenological philosophy he investigates mysticism as one form of religious experience, focusing on the experiences of St. Teresa of Avila, (Christian) Rabbi Dov Baer, (Jewish) and Ruzbihan Baquli (Muslim).] While mysticism is but one form of religious experience, he would argue that in each case the givenness of spiritual experience is within the context of religious (Faith) identity. For these mystics and for many people "spirituality" is experienced and shaded by their (non)religious world view. Thus the spiritual experiences of a Buddhist (His Holiness the Dalai Lama), an indigenous person (Black Elk) etc. would each have a character in keeping with the milieu of their tradition. The same would be true of the spiritual experience of a secular humanist. In my experience within MSR, faith traditions or secular world views that shape spiritual experience have always been treated with respect with an aim to learn from the wisdom of each tradition, and how each tradition informs spiritual experience that in turn shapes managerial behavior.

    This is my short argument for integration. My view is: The result of authentic spirituality in all traditions (theistic and non-theistic) is service on behalf of and compassion toward others. Thus the "verticality" of a religious world view (Faith) shapes the spiritual experience of an individual (Spirituality) as expressed in the "horizontal" behavior of their actions (Management).

    For me then, MSR does not focus on separate and competing streams. Rather, it investigates the intersection where Religion or non religious World Views (Faith) with their incorporated spiritual practices influence spiritual experience (spirituality) that influence actions taken as a manager.(Management).

    From this vantage point it is appropriate to emphasize different aspects of this interdisciplinary nexus depending on one's personal interest, but all aspects ultimately are interrelated and it is exactly the interrelationship that is the special domaine scholarship in MSR can make a contribution to.

    Andre





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    J. Thomas and Katheen L. McCarthy University Professor
    Department of Management
    Leavey School of Business
    216M Lucas Hall
    500 El Camino Real
    Santa Clara, CA 95053

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    Tel 408 554 4629

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  • 10.  2009 Roundtables... Regent University, Evangelical Christians, MSR

    Posted 04-03-2009 18:07
    Hello Colleagues,
    I resonate strongly with Andre's concerns about a slipping into a false
    dualism of religion v. spirituality. A healthy scholarly understanding of
    religion and spirituality should recognize and allow for many integrated
    formulations. Indeed, to suggest that religious traditions do not allow for
    or include spirituality is to misunderstand religion.

    I also resonate strongly with another of Andre's points, where he reminds us
    we should resist equating "faith" with "religion," as if they were synonyms.
    As Andre rightly notes, faith can also include non-religious, non-theistic,
    and secular humanist Weltanschauungen.
    Best,
    David
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    MSR

    Colleagues,

    I don't often weigh into these conversations, but in this case I would make
    a simple argument for integration.

    I think there is a danger of false dualisms here. As I understand the
    issue conceptually, "Spirituality" deals with an individual's personal
    world-view and path, and the givenness of their individual spiritual
    experience. [An excellent reference here is Anthony J. Steinbock,
    Phenomenology and Mysticism, Bloomington IN, Indiana University Press, 2007.
    Through the lens of phenomenological philosophy he investigates mysticism as
    one form of religious experience, focusing on the experiences of St. Teresa
    of Avila, (Christian) Rabbi Dov Baer, (Jewish) and Ruzbihan Baquli
    (Muslim).] While mysticism is but one form of religious experience, he
    would argue that in each case the givenness of spiritual experience is
    within the context of religious (Faith) identity. For these mystics and for
    many people "spirituality" is experienced and shaded by their
    (non)religious world view. Thus the spiritual experiences of a Buddhist (His
    Holiness the Dalai Lama), an indigenous person (Black Elk) etc. would each
    have a character in keeping with the milieu of their tradition. The same
    would be true of the spiritual experience of a secular humanist. In my
    experience within MSR, faith traditions or secular world views that shape
    spiritual experience have always been treated with respect with an aim to
    learn from the wisdom of each tradition, and how each tradition informs
    spiritual experience that in turn shapes managerial behavior.

    This is my short argument for integration. My view is: The result of
    authentic spirituality in all traditions (theistic and non-theistic) is
    service on behalf of and compassion toward others. Thus the "verticality" of
    a religious world view (Faith) shapes the spiritual experience of an
    individual (Spirituality) as expressed in the "horizontal" behavior of
    their actions (Management).

    For me then, MSR does not focus on separate and competing streams. Rather,
    it investigates the intersection where Religion or non religious World Views
    (Faith) with their incorporated spiritual practices influence spiritual
    experience (spirituality) that influence actions taken as a
    manager.(Management).

    From this vantage point it is appropriate to emphasize different aspects of
    this interdisciplinary nexus depending on one's personal interest, but all
    aspects ultimately are interrelated and it is exactly the interrelationship
    that is the special domaine scholarship in MSR can make a contribution to.

    Andre





    Andre L. Delbecq, D.B.A.
    J. Thomas and Katheen L. McCarthy University Professor Department of
    Management Leavey School of Business 216M Lucas Hall 500 El Camino Real
    Santa Clara, CA 95053

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  • 11.  2009 Roundtables... Regent University, Evangelical Christians, MSR

    Posted 04-04-2009 13:30
    Hi Andre,

    Beautifully said, and thank you for the references. I will check them out.


    I completely agree with you that our field is about the intersection of
    these three domains, and our area of scholarship reflects the reality that
    all three domains intersect in the workplace. It is my hope that our
    scholarship and teaching in this field will help to lead to greater
    integration of management, spirituality, and religion, - in a healthy,
    respectful way - in the workplace as well as in our writing, research, and
    the classroom.

    This is a wonderful dialogue that is happening on the listserve right now,
    but I notice that there hasn't been any mention of teaching. I wonder how
    many of these issues around the distinctions between faith, religion, and
    spirituality come up in the classroom and how people handle them.

    Warm Regards,

    Judith Neal

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    Behalf Of Andre Delbecq
    Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 1:16 PM
    To: MSR@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU
    Subject: Re: 2009 Roundtables... Regent University, Evangelical Christians,
    MSR

    Colleagues,

    I don't often weigh into these conversations, but in this case I would make
    a simple argument for integration.

    I think there is a danger of false dualisms here. As I understand the
    issue conceptually, "Spirituality" deals with an individual's personal
    world-view and path, and the givenness of their individual spiritual
    experience. [An excellent reference here is Anthony J. Steinbock,
    Phenomenology and Mysticism, Bloomington IN, Indiana University Press, 2007.
    Through the lens of phenomenological philosophy he investigates mysticism as
    one form of religious experience, focusing on the experiences of St. Teresa
    of Avila, (Christian) Rabbi Dov Baer, (Jewish) and Ruzbihan Baquli
    (Muslim).] While mysticism is but one form of religious experience, he
    would argue that in each case the givenness of spiritual experience is
    within the context of religious (Faith) identity. For these mystics and for
    many people "spirituality" is experienced and shaded by their
    (non)religious world view. Thus the spiritual experiences of a Buddhist (His
    Holiness the Dalai Lama), an indigenous person (Black Elk) etc. would each
    have a character in keeping with the milieu of their tradition. The same
    would be true of the spiritual experience of a secular humanist. In my
    experience within MSR, faith traditions or secular world views that shape
    spiritual experience have always been treated with respect with an aim to
    learn from the wisdom of each tradition, and how each tradition informs
    spiritual experience that in turn shapes managerial behavior.

    This is my short argument for integration. My view is: The result of
    authentic spirituality in all traditions (theistic and non-theistic) is
    service on behalf of and compassion toward others. Thus the "verticality" of
    a religious world view (Faith) shapes the spiritual experience of an
    individual (Spirituality) as expressed in the "horizontal" behavior of
    their actions (Management).

    For me then, MSR does not focus on separate and competing streams. Rather,
    it investigates the intersection where Religion or non religious World Views
    (Faith) with their incorporated spiritual practices influence spiritual
    experience (spirituality) that influence actions taken as a
    manager.(Management).

    From this vantage point it is appropriate to emphasize different aspects of
    this interdisciplinary nexus depending on one's personal interest, but all
    aspects ultimately are interrelated and it is exactly the interrelationship
    that is the special domaine scholarship in MSR can make a contribution to.

    Andre





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    J. Thomas and Katheen L. McCarthy University Professor
    Department of Management
    Leavey School of Business
    216M Lucas Hall
    500 El Camino Real
    Santa Clara, CA 95053

    e mail: adelbecq@scu.edu
    Tel 408 554 4629

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  • 12.  2009 Roundtables... Regent University, Evangelical Christians, MSR

    Posted 04-13-2009 16:50

    On Apr 4, 2009, at 10:29 AM, Judi Neal wrote:

    This is a wonderful dialogue that is happening on the listserve right now,
    but I notice that there hasn't been any mention of teaching.  I wonder how
    many of these issues around the distinctions between faith, religion, and
    spirituality come up in the classroom and how people handle them.

    I've seen issues about this come up. I wrote about in the Organization Management Journal. The article was about the problem of indoctrination in courses about spirituality in the workplace. The problem I've seen occurs when we take a spiritual stance and teach it as if it is the truth, instead of one of many competing spiritual and religious ideologies.

    Another incident that alerted me to the problem of a dominating spiritual ideology happened at a
    training session my university held for adjunct faculty members, where I wound up talking to a
    professor from another university. He told me that his course on spirituality and work was very
    popular and had fabulous student evaluations, but some students were concerned about the course
    and their own religion. He said, "I just make sure that they realize that spirituality has nothing to
    do with religion!"

    He didn't seem able to imagine why someone would object or that some peoples' spirituality has
    everything to do with their religion. He didn't realize that he was uncritically presenting his ideological
    stance about the separation of religion and spirituality as truth, or that what he said was a
    religious belief.

    I observed a more sophisticated example of this at a professional development workshop before a
    major academic meeting, where a colleague was presenting on ways to teach about spirituality in
    the workplace. In his course, he taught that different religions and spiritual paths evolved from
    different cultural and historical interpretations of a single core mystical experience that was universal.
    I generally agree with this perspective, but it appeared that my colleague didn't realize that there
    also existed many other legitimate, competing perspectives about the relationship between religions.
    He didn't seem to be aware that he was teaching a perspective, not the truth. The field of
    religious studies calls this particular religious ideology perennialism, as one of its key assertions is
    that "all 'true' or 'genuine' mystics have always (perennially) arrived at the same set of metaphysical
    truths" (Kripal, 2003, p. 67). Famous advocates of this unity "underlying religion's diverse
    historical forms" (Wulff, 1997, p. 632) include Huston Smith (1991), Ken Wilber (2000),
    John Hick (1985), and Aldous Huxley (1945). In the spirituality in the workplace movement, Mitroff
    and Denton (1999) are perennialism's most prominent advocates, and it is a common-
    possibly the dominant-perspective in the Academy of Management's Management, Spirituality
    and Religion Interest Group. Years ago, perennialism dominated religious studies, but now the
    perennialists have become an "embattled minority" (Horgan, 2003, p. 13). My colleague at the
    professional development workshop didn't realize that his view was not undebatable truth, but
    was a highly debatable ideological stance. In this sense his ideology was hegemonic-so encompassing
    that it didn't occur to him or the other people in the room that there could be other views.

    Perennialism works out differences between religions in a manner that appeals to some, but that
    leaves others feeling misrepresented. The philosopher of religion Steven Katz feels that perennialism
    distorts important elements of Jewish mysticism in order to make it more "mutually compatible"
    (Horgan, 2003, p. 45) with other mystical traditions. The Catholic scholar of mysticism Bernard
    McGinn complains that perennialism "strips Christian mysticism of precisely those religious
    distinctions that he as a Catholic finds most meaningful" (Horgan, 2003, p. 40). Katz says perennialists,
    "think they are being ecumenical; they're saying everybody has the same belief. But they
    are doing injustice to all the people who say, 'I'm not believing like you do'" (quoted in Horgan,
    2003, p. 47). I see colleagues who are blind to the problem and worry that the damage to students
    is invisible. I teach a lot of working class students who hold religious and spiritual beliefs that are
    unfashionable in the academy, and I worry about what can be done to them, especially when I
    hear the perennialists' unquestioned assumptions.

    - Don

    ---
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    Department of Management, College of Business and Economics
    California State University Northridge, Juniper Hall 4218
    18111 Nordhoff St., Northridge CA 91330

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  • 13.  2009 Roundtables... Regent University, Evangelical Christians, MSR

    Posted 04-14-2009 14:23
    Don,

    I really appreciate what you have shared about perennialists and
    unquestioned assumptions. I have to admit that before I read the
    section of your article that you quoted before that I have pretty much
    been a perennialist myself. Perhaps as this field matures, we will
    all be able to move from trying to find a Unified Field Theory of
    Spirituality and Religion in the Workplace to a perspective that
    values the diversity of religious and spiritual experiences, practices
    and theology that exist in our places of work in the U.S. and around
    the world.

    Warm Regards,

    Judith Neal, Ph.D.
    Director, John H. Tyson Center for Faith and Spirituality in the Workplace
    Sam M. Walton College of Business
    University of Arkansas


    Quoting Don McCormick <don.mccormick@CSUN.EDU>:

    >
    > On Apr 4, 2009, at 10:29 AM, Judi Neal wrote:
    >
    >> This is a wonderful dialogue that is happening on the listserve right now,
    >> but I notice that there hasn't been any mention of teaching. I wonder how
    >> many of these issues around the distinctions between faith, religion, and
    >> spirituality come up in the classroom and how people handle them.
    >
    > I've seen issues about this come up. I wrote about in the Organization
    > Management Journal. The article was about the problem of
    > indoctrination in courses about spirituality in the workplace. The
    > problem I've seen occurs when we take a spiritual stance and teach it
    > as if it is the truth, instead of one of many competing spiritual and
    > religious ideologies.
    >
    >> Another incident that alerted me to the problem of a dominating
    >> spiritual ideology happened at a
    >> training session my university held for adjunct faculty members,
    >> where I wound up talking to a
    >> professor from another university. He told me that his course on
    >> spirituality and work was very
    >> popular and had fabulous student evaluations, but some students
    >> were concerned about the course
    >> and their own religion. He said, “I just make sure that they
    >> realize that spirituality has nothing to
    >> do with religion!”
    >>
    >> He didn’t seem able to imagine why someone would object or that
    >> some peoples’ spirituality has
    >> everything to do with their religion. He didn’t realize that he was
    >> uncritically presenting his ideological
    >> stance about the separation of religion and spirituality as truth,
    >> or that what he said was a
    >> religious belief.
    >>
    >> I observed a more sophisticated example of this at a professional
    >> development workshop before a
    >> major academic meeting, where a colleague was presenting on ways to
    >> teach about spirituality in
    >> the workplace. In his course, he taught that different religions
    >> and spiritual paths evolved from
    >> different cultural and historical interpretations of a single core
    >> mystical experience that was universal.
    >> I generally agree with this perspective, but it appeared that my
    >> colleague didn’t realize that there
    >> also existed many other legitimate, competing perspectives about
    >> the relationship between religions.
    >> He didn’t seem to be aware that he was teaching a perspective, not
    >> the truth. The field of
    >> religious studies calls this particular religious ideology
    >> perennialism, as one of its key assertions is
    >> that “all ‘true’ or ‘genuine’ mystics have always (perennially)
    >> arrived at the same set of metaphysical
    >> truths” (Kripal, 2003, p. 67). Famous advocates of this unity
    >> “underlying religion’s diverse
    >> historical forms” (Wulff, 1997, p. 632) include Huston Smith
    >> (1991), Ken Wilber (2000),
    >> John Hick (1985), and Aldous Huxley (1945). In the spirituality in
    >> the workplace movement, Mitroff
    >> and Denton (1999) are perennialism’s most prominent advocates, and
    >> it is a common—
    >> possibly the dominant—perspective in the Academy of Management’s
    >> Management, Spirituality
    >> and Religion Interest Group. Years ago, perennialism dominated
    >> religious studies, but now the
    >> perennialists have become an “embattled minority” (Horgan, 2003,
    >> p. 13). My colleague at the
    >> professional development workshop didn’t realize that his view was
    >> not undebatable truth, but
    >> was a highly debatable ideological stance. In this sense his
    >> ideology was hegemonic—so encompassing
    >> that it didn’t occur to him or the other people in the room that
    >> there could be other views.
    >>
    >> Perennialism works out differences between religions in a manner
    >> that appeals to some, but that
    >> leaves others feeling misrepresented. The philosopher of religion
    >> Steven Katz feels that perennialism
    >> distorts important elements of Jewish mysticism in order to make it
    >> more “mutually compatible”
    >> (Horgan, 2003, p. 45) with other mystical traditions. The Catholic
    >> scholar of mysticism Bernard
    >> McGinn complains that perennialism “strips Christian mysticism of
    >> precisely those religious
    >> distinctions that he as a Catholic finds most meaningful” (Horgan,
    >> 2003, p. 40). Katz says perennialists,
    >> “think they are being ecumenical; they’re saying everybody has the
    >> same belief. But they
    >> are doing injustice to all the people who say, ‘I’m not believing
    >> like you do’” (quoted in Horgan,
    >> 2003, p. 47). I see colleagues who are blind to the problem and
    >> worry that the damage to students
    >> is invisible. I teach a lot of working class students who hold
    >> religious and spiritual beliefs that are
    >> unfashionable in the academy, and I worry about what can be done to
    >> them, especially when I
    >> hear the perennialists’ unquestioned assumptions.
    >
    > - Don
    >
    > ---
    > Don McCormick
    > Department of Management, College of Business and Economics
    > California State University Northridge, Juniper Hall 4218
    > 18111 Nordhoff St., Northridge CA 91330
    > http://www.csun.edu/~dmccormick (818) 677-2418
    >
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  • 14.  2009 Roundtables... Regent University, Evangelical Christians, MSR

    Posted 04-14-2009 16:14
    On Apr 14, 2009, at 11:23 AM, <judi@SPIRITATWORK.ORG> wrote:

    > Don,
    >
    > I really appreciate what you have shared about perennialists and
    > unquestioned assumptions. I have to admit that before I read the
    > section of your article that you quoted before that I have pretty
    > much been a perennialist myself. Perhaps as this field matures, we
    > will all be able to move from trying to find a Unified Field Theory
    > of Spirituality and Religion in the Workplace to a perspective that
    > values the diversity of religious and spiritual experiences,
    > practices and theology that exist in our places of work in the U.S.
    > and around the world.

    Uh oh. I'm not doing a very good job of communicating. I'm not against
    perennialism. I'm basically a perennialist myself. What I think is
    problematic is teaching perennialism as if it were "THE TRUTH,"
    instead of one of many different competing perspectives that explain
    the relationship between religions, and between religion and
    spirituality. I think that we perennialists sometimes just assume that
    our approach, because it is so inclusive and (to some degree)
    respectful and appreciative of different spiritual traditions, is the
    truth and so what's the big fuss. It may in fact be the truth, but it
    is also a religious/spiritual ideology. And if you are a Christian
    professor at a pluralistic university, you shouldn't teach a course in
    world religions with the assumption that Christianity is right and all
    other religions are wrong; even if you believe that to be the case.
    Nor should perennialist professors teach a course in management,
    spirituality and religion with the assumption that perennialism is
    right and other perspectives are wrong.

    I should also say, I think this is only a problem if you are teaching
    in a spiritually pluralistic environment. If you were at a Catholic
    university or a seminary, there is nothing wrong with having some
    classes where the instructor basically takes the stance that
    Christianity is the truth.

    It's like employment discrimination based on religion. In most
    settings it is unethical and illegal. But in some other settings, such
    as explicitly religious organizations where part of the job is
    advocacy of the religion, it is legal and seems, to me at least, to be
    ethical.

    "But that's just my opinion; I may be wrong."

    - Don

    ---
    Don McCormick
    Department of Management, College of Business and Economics
    California State University Northridge, Juniper Hall 4218
    18111 Nordhoff St., Northridge CA 91330
    http://www.csun.edu/~dmccormick (818) 677-2418

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  • 15.  2009 Roundtables... Regent University, Evangelical Christians, MSR

    Posted 04-18-2009 15:52
    I have very much appreciated this conversation, and particularly the self-reflection and respect that has marked the various postings.

    Since Don asked about the teaching implications of one's spiritual/religious perspective, I would like to point folks to an article that I co-wrote almost a decade ago, which addresses this very topic. The article is titled, "A Classroom with a Worldview" and was published in the Journal of Management Education in October 2000 (Vol. 24, Number 5) with my coauthors Randy Franz and Kenman Wong.

    In this article we examined various approaches to thinking about "spirituality" and conclude that it is important to understand and convey one's own particular approach in a classroom context - not necessarily to be taught as a singular approach to truth, but rather as an honest examination of what it is that might bias oneself. I hope that others might find the article helpful.

    Blessings,
    Denise


    Denise Daniels, Ph.D.
    Professor of Management
    Associate Dean, School of Business & Economics
    Seattle Pacific University
    Phone: (206) 281-2243
    Fax: (206) 281-2733
    Email: ddaniels@spu.edu



    -----Original Message-----
    From: Management, Spirituality & Religion [mailto:MSR@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU] On Behalf Of Don McCormick
    Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 1:14 PM
    To: MSR@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU
    Subject: Re: 2009 Roundtables... Regent University, Evangelical Christians, MSR

    On Apr 14, 2009, at 11:23 AM, <judi@SPIRITATWORK.ORG> wrote:

    > Don,
    >
    > I really appreciate what you have shared about perennialists and
    > unquestioned assumptions. I have to admit that before I read the
    > section of your article that you quoted before that I have pretty
    > much been a perennialist myself. Perhaps as this field matures, we
    > will all be able to move from trying to find a Unified Field Theory
    > of Spirituality and Religion in the Workplace to a perspective that
    > values the diversity of religious and spiritual experiences,
    > practices and theology that exist in our places of work in the U.S.
    > and around the world.

    Uh oh. I'm not doing a very good job of communicating. I'm not against
    perennialism. I'm basically a perennialist myself. What I think is
    problematic is teaching perennialism as if it were "THE TRUTH,"
    instead of one of many different competing perspectives that explain
    the relationship between religions, and between religion and
    spirituality. I think that we perennialists sometimes just assume that
    our approach, because it is so inclusive and (to some degree)
    respectful and appreciative of different spiritual traditions, is the
    truth and so what's the big fuss. It may in fact be the truth, but it
    is also a religious/spiritual ideology. And if you are a Christian
    professor at a pluralistic university, you shouldn't teach a course in
    world religions with the assumption that Christianity is right and all
    other religions are wrong; even if you believe that to be the case.
    Nor should perennialist professors teach a course in management,
    spirituality and religion with the assumption that perennialism is
    right and other perspectives are wrong.

    I should also say, I think this is only a problem if you are teaching
    in a spiritually pluralistic environment. If you were at a Catholic
    university or a seminary, there is nothing wrong with having some
    classes where the instructor basically takes the stance that
    Christianity is the truth.

    It's like employment discrimination based on religion. In most
    settings it is unethical and illegal. But in some other settings, such
    as explicitly religious organizations where part of the job is
    advocacy of the religion, it is legal and seems, to me at least, to be
    ethical.

    "But that's just my opinion; I may be wrong."

    - Don

    ---
    Don McCormick
    Department of Management, College of Business and Economics
    California State University Northridge, Juniper Hall 4218
    18111 Nordhoff St., Northridge CA 91330
    http://www.csun.edu/~dmccormick (818) 677-2418

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  • 16.  2009 Roundtables... Regent University, Evangelical Christians, MSR

    Posted 04-19-2009 23:41
    Denise,

    Should you have an electronic copy of the article handy on your computer I would be very grateful to have it.

    With gratitude,

    Andre Delbecq

    Andre L. Delbecq, D.B.A.
    J. Thomas and Katheen L. McCarthy University Professor
    Department of Management
    Leavey School of Business
    216M Lucas Hall
    500 El Camino Real
    Santa Clara, CA 95053

    e mail: adelbecq@scu.edu
    Tel 408 554 4629
    >>> "Daniels, Denise" <ddaniels@SPU.EDU> 04/19/09 11:52 AM >>>
    I have very much appreciated this conversation, and particularly the self-reflection and respect that has marked the various postings.

    Since Don asked about the teaching implications of one's spiritual/religious perspective, I would like to point folks to an article that I co-wrote almost a decade ago, which addresses this very topic. The article is titled, "A Classroom with a Worldview" and was published in the Journal of Management Education in October 2000 (Vol. 24, Number 5) with my coauthors Randy Franz and Kenman Wong.

    In this article we examined various approaches to thinking about "spirituality" and conclude that it is important to understand and convey one's own particular approach in a classroom context - not necessarily to be taught as a singular approach to truth, but rather as an honest examination of what it is that might bias oneself. I hope that others might find the article helpful.

    Blessings,
    Denise


    Denise Daniels, Ph.D.
    Professor of Management
    Associate Dean, School of Business & Economics
    Seattle Pacific University
    Phone: (206) 281-2243
    Fax: (206) 281-2733
    Email: ddaniels@spu.edu



    -----Original Message-----
    From: Management, Spirituality & Religion [mailto:MSR@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU] On Behalf Of Don McCormick
    Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 1:14 PM
    To: MSR@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU
    Subject: Re: 2009 Roundtables... Regent University, Evangelical Christians, MSR

    On Apr 14, 2009, at 11:23 AM, <judi@SPIRITATWORK.ORG> wrote:

    > Don,
    >
    > I really appreciate what you have shared about perennialists and
    > unquestioned assumptions. I have to admit that before I read the
    > section of your article that you quoted before that I have pretty
    > much been a perennialist myself. Perhaps as this field matures, we
    > will all be able to move from trying to find a Unified Field Theory
    > of Spirituality and Religion in the Workplace to a perspective that
    > values the diversity of religious and spiritual experiences,
    > practices and theology that exist in our places of work in the U.S.
    > and around the world.

    Uh oh. I'm not doing a very good job of communicating. I'm not against
    perennialism. I'm basically a perennialist myself. What I think is
    problematic is teaching perennialism as if it were "THE TRUTH,"
    instead of one of many different competing perspectives that explain
    the relationship between religions, and between religion and
    spirituality. I think that we perennialists sometimes just assume that
    our approach, because it is so inclusive and (to some degree)
    respectful and appreciative of different spiritual traditions, is the
    truth and so what's the big fuss. It may in fact be the truth, but it
    is also a religious/spiritual ideology. And if you are a Christian
    professor at a pluralistic university, you shouldn't teach a course in
    world religions with the assumption that Christianity is right and all
    other religions are wrong; even if you believe that to be the case.
    Nor should perennialist professors teach a course in management,
    spirituality and religion with the assumption that perennialism is
    right and other perspectives are wrong.

    I should also say, I think this is only a problem if you are teaching
    in a spiritually pluralistic environment. If you were at a Catholic
    university or a seminary, there is nothing wrong with having some
    classes where the instructor basically takes the stance that
    Christianity is the truth.

    It's like employment discrimination based on religion. In most
    settings it is unethical and illegal. But in some other settings, such
    as explicitly religious organizations where part of the job is
    advocacy of the religion, it is legal and seems, to me at least, to be
    ethical.

    "But that's just my opinion; I may be wrong."

    - Don

    ---
    Don McCormick
    Department of Management, College of Business and Economics
    California State University Northridge, Juniper Hall 4218
    18111 Nordhoff St., Northridge CA 91330
    http://www.csun.edu/~dmccormick (818) 677-2418

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  • 17.  2009 Roundtables... Regent University, Evangelical Christians, MSR

    Posted 04-20-2009 16:33
    I have attached a few additional thoughts to share in this dialog. Warm hello to all.

    Andre

    Andre L. Delbecq, D.B.A.
    J. Thomas and Katheen L. McCarthy University Professor
    Department of Management
    Leavey School of Business
    216M Lucas Hall
    500 El Camino Real
    Santa Clara, CA 95053

    e mail: adelbecq@scu.edu
    Tel 408 554 4629
    >>> "Daniels, Denise" <ddaniels@SPU.EDU> 04/19/09 11:52 AM >>>
    I have very much appreciated this conversation, and particularly the self-reflection and respect that has marked the various postings.

    Since Don asked about the teaching implications of one's spiritual/religious perspective, I would like to point folks to an article that I co-wrote almost a decade ago, which addresses this very topic. The article is titled, "A Classroom with a Worldview" and was published in the Journal of Management Education in October 2000 (Vol. 24, Number 5) with my coauthors Randy Franz and Kenman Wong.

    In this article we examined various approaches to thinking about "spirituality" and conclude that it is important to understand and convey one's own particular approach in a classroom context - not necessarily to be taught as a singular approach to truth, but rather as an honest examination of what it is that might bias oneself. I hope that others might find the article helpful.

    Blessings,
    Denise


    Denise Daniels, Ph.D.
    Professor of Management
    Associate Dean, School of Business & Economics
    Seattle Pacific University
    Phone: (206) 281-2243
    Fax: (206) 281-2733
    Email: ddaniels@spu.edu



    -----Original Message-----
    From: Management, Spirituality & Religion [mailto:MSR@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU] On Behalf Of Don McCormick
    Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 1:14 PM
    To: MSR@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU
    Subject: Re: 2009 Roundtables... Regent University, Evangelical Christians, MSR

    On Apr 14, 2009, at 11:23 AM, <judi@SPIRITATWORK.ORG> wrote:

    > Don,
    >
    > I really appreciate what you have shared about perennialists and
    > unquestioned assumptions. I have to admit that before I read the
    > section of your article that you quoted before that I have pretty
    > much been a perennialist myself. Perhaps as this field matures, we
    > will all be able to move from trying to find a Unified Field Theory
    > of Spirituality and Religion in the Workplace to a perspective that
    > values the diversity of religious and spiritual experiences,
    > practices and theology that exist in our places of work in the U.S.
    > and around the world.

    Uh oh. I'm not doing a very good job of communicating. I'm not against
    perennialism. I'm basically a perennialist myself. What I think is
    problematic is teaching perennialism as if it were "THE TRUTH,"
    instead of one of many different competing perspectives that explain
    the relationship between religions, and between religion and
    spirituality. I think that we perennialists sometimes just assume that
    our approach, because it is so inclusive and (to some degree)
    respectful and appreciative of different spiritual traditions, is the
    truth and so what's the big fuss. It may in fact be the truth, but it
    is also a religious/spiritual ideology. And if you are a Christian
    professor at a pluralistic university, you shouldn't teach a course in
    world religions with the assumption that Christianity is right and all
    other religions are wrong; even if you believe that to be the case.
    Nor should perennialist professors teach a course in management,
    spirituality and religion with the assumption that perennialism is
    right and other perspectives are wrong.

    I should also say, I think this is only a problem if you are teaching
    in a spiritually pluralistic environment. If you were at a Catholic
    university or a seminary, there is nothing wrong with having some
    classes where the instructor basically takes the stance that
    Christianity is the truth.

    It's like employment discrimination based on religion. In most
    settings it is unethical and illegal. But in some other settings, such
    as explicitly religious organizations where part of the job is
    advocacy of the religion, it is legal and seems, to me at least, to be
    ethical.

    "But that's just my opinion; I may be wrong."

    - Don

    ---
    Don McCormick
    Department of Management, College of Business and Economics
    California State University Northridge, Juniper Hall 4218
    18111 Nordhoff St., Northridge CA 91330
    http://www.csun.edu/~dmccormick (818) 677-2418

    _______________________________________________________________________

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  • 18.  2009 Roundtables... Regent University, Evangelical Christians, MSR

    Posted 04-20-2009 16:35
    I would appreciate one also, if it is available. Barbara

    Barbara J. Fleischer, Ph.D.
    Associate Professor
    Loyola Institute for Ministry
    Loyola University New Orleans
    Campus Box 67
    6363 St. Charles Ave.
    New Orleans, LA 70118
    504-865-3397
    fleische@loyno.edu


    -----Original Message-----
    From: Management, Spirituality & Religion [mailto:MSR@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU]
    On Behalf Of Andre Delbecq
    Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 10:41 PM
    To: MSR@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU
    Subject: Re: 2009 Roundtables... Regent University, Evangelical
    Christians, MSR

    Denise,

    Should you have an electronic copy of the article handy on your computer
    I would be very grateful to have it.

    With gratitude,

    Andre Delbecq

    Andre L. Delbecq, D.B.A.
    J. Thomas and Katheen L. McCarthy University Professor
    Department of Management
    Leavey School of Business
    216M Lucas Hall
    500 El Camino Real
    Santa Clara, CA 95053

    e mail: adelbecq@scu.edu
    Tel 408 554 4629
    >>> "Daniels, Denise" <ddaniels@SPU.EDU> 04/19/09 11:52 AM >>>
    I have very much appreciated this conversation, and particularly the
    self-reflection and respect that has marked the various postings.

    Since Don asked about the teaching implications of one's
    spiritual/religious perspective, I would like to point folks to an
    article that I co-wrote almost a decade ago, which addresses this very
    topic. The article is titled, "A Classroom with a Worldview" and was
    published in the Journal of Management Education in October 2000 (Vol.
    24, Number 5) with my coauthors Randy Franz and Kenman Wong.

    In this article we examined various approaches to thinking about
    "spirituality" and conclude that it is important to understand and
    convey one's own particular approach in a classroom context - not
    necessarily to be taught as a singular approach to truth, but rather as
    an honest examination of what it is that might bias oneself. I hope
    that others might find the article helpful.

    Blessings,
    Denise


    Denise Daniels, Ph.D.
    Professor of Management
    Associate Dean, School of Business & Economics
    Seattle Pacific University
    Phone: (206) 281-2243
    Fax: (206) 281-2733
    Email: ddaniels@spu.edu



    -----Original Message-----
    From: Management, Spirituality & Religion [mailto:MSR@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU]
    On Behalf Of Don McCormick
    Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 1:14 PM
    To: MSR@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU
    Subject: Re: 2009 Roundtables... Regent University, Evangelical
    Christians, MSR

    On Apr 14, 2009, at 11:23 AM, <judi@SPIRITATWORK.ORG> wrote:

    > Don,
    >
    > I really appreciate what you have shared about perennialists and
    > unquestioned assumptions. I have to admit that before I read the
    > section of your article that you quoted before that I have pretty
    > much been a perennialist myself. Perhaps as this field matures, we
    > will all be able to move from trying to find a Unified Field Theory
    > of Spirituality and Religion in the Workplace to a perspective that
    > values the diversity of religious and spiritual experiences,
    > practices and theology that exist in our places of work in the U.S.
    > and around the world.

    Uh oh. I'm not doing a very good job of communicating. I'm not against
    perennialism. I'm basically a perennialist myself. What I think is
    problematic is teaching perennialism as if it were "THE TRUTH,"
    instead of one of many different competing perspectives that explain
    the relationship between religions, and between religion and
    spirituality. I think that we perennialists sometimes just assume that
    our approach, because it is so inclusive and (to some degree)
    respectful and appreciative of different spiritual traditions, is the
    truth and so what's the big fuss. It may in fact be the truth, but it
    is also a religious/spiritual ideology. And if you are a Christian
    professor at a pluralistic university, you shouldn't teach a course in
    world religions with the assumption that Christianity is right and all
    other religions are wrong; even if you believe that to be the case.
    Nor should perennialist professors teach a course in management,
    spirituality and religion with the assumption that perennialism is
    right and other perspectives are wrong.

    I should also say, I think this is only a problem if you are teaching
    in a spiritually pluralistic environment. If you were at a Catholic
    university or a seminary, there is nothing wrong with having some
    classes where the instructor basically takes the stance that
    Christianity is the truth.

    It's like employment discrimination based on religion. In most
    settings it is unethical and illegal. But in some other settings, such
    as explicitly religious organizations where part of the job is
    advocacy of the religion, it is legal and seems, to me at least, to be
    ethical.

    "But that's just my opinion; I may be wrong."

    - Don

    ---
    Don McCormick
    Department of Management, College of Business and Economics
    California State University Northridge, Juniper Hall 4218
    18111 Nordhoff St., Northridge CA 91330
    http://www.csun.edu/~dmccormick (818) 677-2418

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  • 19.  2009 Roundtables... Regent University, Evangelical Christians, MSR

    Posted 04-22-2009 13:30
    These are very helpful thoughts. Thanks for sharing them, Andre.

    Several of you have asked for a copy of the "Classroom with a Worldview" paper that I referenced in an earlier email. I tried to post it to the list, but it was rejected for size. I'm happy to send it direclty to any individuals who would like a copy. Feel free to email me directly (ddaniels@spu.edu) rather than cluttering the listserv.

    Thanks,
    Denise


    Denise Daniels, Ph.D.
    Professor of Management
    Associate Dean, School of Business & Economics
    Seattle Pacific University
    Phone: (206) 281-2243
    Fax: (206) 281-2733
    Email: ddaniels@spu.edu



    ________________________________________
    From: Management, Spirituality & Religion [MSR@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU] On Behalf Of Andre Delbecq [adelbecq@SCU.EDU]
    Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 1:32 PM
    To: MSR@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU
    Subject: Re: 2009 Roundtables... Regent University, Evangelical Christians, MSR

    I have attached a few additional thoughts to share in this dialog. Warm hello to all.

    Andre

    Andre L. Delbecq, D.B.A.
    J. Thomas and Katheen L. McCarthy University Professor
    Department of Management
    Leavey School of Business
    216M Lucas Hall
    500 El Camino Real
    Santa Clara, CA 95053

    e mail: adelbecq@scu.edu
    Tel 408 554 4629
    >>> "Daniels, Denise" <ddaniels@SPU.EDU> 04/19/09 11:52 AM >>>
    I have very much appreciated this conversation, and particularly the self-reflection and respect that has marked the various postings.

    Since Don asked about the teaching implications of one's spiritual/religious perspective, I would like to point folks to an article that I co-wrote almost a decade ago, which addresses this very topic. The article is titled, "A Classroom with a Worldview" and was published in the Journal of Management Education in October 2000 (Vol. 24, Number 5) with my coauthors Randy Franz and Kenman Wong.

    In this article we examined various approaches to thinking about "spirituality" and conclude that it is important to understand and convey one's own particular approach in a classroom context - not necessarily to be taught as a singular approach to truth, but rather as an honest examination of what it is that might bias oneself. I hope that others might find the article helpful.

    Blessings,
    Denise


    Denise Daniels, Ph.D.
    Professor of Management
    Associate Dean, School of Business & Economics
    Seattle Pacific University
    Phone: (206) 281-2243
    Fax: (206) 281-2733
    Email: ddaniels@spu.edu



    -----Original Message-----
    From: Management, Spirituality & Religion [mailto:MSR@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU] On Behalf Of Don McCormick
    Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 1:14 PM
    To: MSR@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU
    Subject: Re: 2009 Roundtables... Regent University, Evangelical Christians, MSR

    On Apr 14, 2009, at 11:23 AM, <judi@SPIRITATWORK.ORG> wrote:

    > Don,
    >
    > I really appreciate what you have shared about perennialists and
    > unquestioned assumptions. I have to admit that before I read the
    > section of your article that you quoted before that I have pretty
    > much been a perennialist myself. Perhaps as this field matures, we
    > will all be able to move from trying to find a Unified Field Theory
    > of Spirituality and Religion in the Workplace to a perspective that
    > values the diversity of religious and spiritual experiences,
    > practices and theology that exist in our places of work in the U.S.
    > and around the world.

    Uh oh. I'm not doing a very good job of communicating. I'm not against
    perennialism. I'm basically a perennialist myself. What I think is
    problematic is teaching perennialism as if it were "THE TRUTH,"
    instead of one of many different competing perspectives that explain
    the relationship between religions, and between religion and
    spirituality. I think that we perennialists sometimes just assume that
    our approach, because it is so inclusive and (to some degree)
    respectful and appreciative of different spiritual traditions, is the
    truth and so what's the big fuss. It may in fact be the truth, but it
    is also a religious/spiritual ideology. And if you are a Christian
    professor at a pluralistic university, you shouldn't teach a course in
    world religions with the assumption that Christianity is right and all
    other religions are wrong; even if you believe that to be the case.
    Nor should perennialist professors teach a course in management,
    spirituality and religion with the assumption that perennialism is
    right and other perspectives are wrong.

    I should also say, I think this is only a problem if you are teaching
    in a spiritually pluralistic environment. If you were at a Catholic
    university or a seminary, there is nothing wrong with having some
    classes where the instructor basically takes the stance that
    Christianity is the truth.

    It's like employment discrimination based on religion. In most
    settings it is unethical and illegal. But in some other settings, such
    as explicitly religious organizations where part of the job is
    advocacy of the religion, it is legal and seems, to me at least, to be
    ethical.

    "But that's just my opinion; I may be wrong."

    - Don

    ---
    Don McCormick
    Department of Management, College of Business and Economics
    California State University Northridge, Juniper Hall 4218
    18111 Nordhoff St., Northridge CA 91330
    http://www.csun.edu/~dmccormick (818) 677-2418

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